A jeszcze co do różowej i jej zauroczenia Mamorkiem - pamiętajmy, że Różowa widzi Mamoru i Usagi jako odrębnych od swoich rodziców. Także do pewnego stopnia zauroczenie Mamorkiem jest zrozumiałe (każde zauroczenie Mamorkiem jest zrozumiałe :) Gdyby nie przeginała....

A to, że kochał Usagi pomimo wszystko, pomimo jej wad, nie krzyczał na nią, gdy na przykład rozsypała ciasteczka, zniszczyła mu mieszkanie, opiła się na jego przyjęciu... ? :)

Wiesz, ja to bym raczej zostawiła to controversial couples, bo już wyszedł nam licencjat z mamorulogii, a jeszcze magisterka do zrobienia :)

I jeszcze jadł ziarenka pieprzu i biegał za nią, jak mu dała po twarzy, i na sukienkę się wydał do reszty...
Jak można nie widzieć, że on za nią szaleje?

Jeszcze nam zostały, że nie amuses Usagi i że nie jest funny.

Jadł ziarenka pieprzu?? Jakoś tego nie pamiętam kiedy to było? Przypomnij proszę :) Będziemy miały jeszcze jeden powód by zachwycać się Mamorkiem :)
Jak to funny nie jest? Tutaj przydałoby się użyć te argumenty jak był fajnie o nią zazdrosny, gdy szli razem do dentysty i potem układał mowę przepraszającą ;) I jakie miny robił, gdy Usagi kłóciła się z Chibiusą (odcinek, gdy idą do tej herbaciarni jest genialny) wtedy też się zaczął dusić, gdy Usagi i Chibiusa zaczęły go karmić na siłę :D
A co to znaczy amuses Usagi???

Powiem wam też, że znalazłam odcinek w którym ewidentnie widać, że Setsuna podkochuje się w Mamoru... nie miejmy jej tego za złe, to jest logicznie niemożliwie by nie kochać się w Mamoru, (masz rację Chibiusie też musimy trochę wybaczyć ;))
W każdym bądź razie jest to odcinek numer 120.
Gdy Mamoru dziękuję jej, że przyprowadziła Chibiusę to się tak uśmiecha a potem chce już szybko wyjść bo czuje się niepewnie. Gdy ją prosi by pozostała to tak dziwnie na niego patrzy i mówi wszystko o tym Stowarzyszeniu, inaczej by nie powiedziała ;)

amuse - zabawiać. Tak, jak mówiłam, na pewno wsadzamy tu kotki :)

W herbaciarni miał też ładne ubranko z tą jasnoniebieską bluzką.
W 120 też miałam wrażenie, że Setsuna była trochę rozczarowana, ze są Czarodziejki?

Ziarenka pieprzu były w drugiej połowie S, jak zabrali Chibiusę i Hotaru na piknik. Usagi czepiała się, że Chibiusa nie je pieprzu, a Rózowa na to, że Mamorek też nie, I Mamoru musiał zjeść/ Później wyskoczył z "przyszłą żoną i córką" :)

He's no funny at all

Mamoru is generally mature, serious and reserved person. As we previously mentioned, it's also partially conditioned by his upbringing and Japanese culture. So it's understandable he may not be openly funny.

Tak, wzmianka o kotkach musi być ;)
No tak, może była rozczarowana, chciała być sam na sam z Mamorciem xD
Odcinek z piknikiem jest super! Taka szczęśliwa rodzina, właśnie takie odcinki uwielbiam :)
Pamiętasz jak ten jego kolega powiedział "jak zawsze są z tobą piękne kobiety" to Usagi znowu się zezłościła a Mamorek zawstydził :D A w moim tłumaczeniu to były warzywa a nie pieprz... ??? :) Ale tak fajnie się poświęcił i je zjadł ...achhh
Normalnie jak to widzę to się rozpływam xD
A tekst "przyszła żona i córka" to już jest jego najpiękniejszy tekst chyba. Normalnie jak Mamoru coś powie to klękajcie narody ;)
A ta błękitna bluzka :) tak przystojnie w niej wygląda xD
A jak według ciebie w czym najlepiej wygląda??
Mi się wydaje, że w samym czarnym golfie jest najlepszy xD XDXD

Autocenzura:
He's no funny at all

Mamoru is generally mature, serious and reserved person. As we previously mentioned, it's also partially conditioned by his upbringing and Japanese culture. So it's understandable he may not be openly funny, the way Usagi is, for instance. But this by no means is the same as saying that he is no funny at all. There are many scenes, when he is hillarious - like in the dentist scene, when he composes his apologetic speech to Usagi. He also often makes funny faces, especially during Usagi and Chibiusa's argument (like when they went to tea-house).

And who could forget such gems like: "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" from S movie or "Hasn't that cat been talking?"

On właśnie w 120 super wygląda - biała koszula i odrobinkę luźny krawat... Podobny strój miał, jak ta księżniczka przyjechała. Nie dziwię się, że Setsuna wolała być z nim sama - choć może to dlatego, że lepiej by się jej z nim rozmawiało, jakby byli sami... ;)

To jaki on jest szczęśliwy, jak są razem, to też cudowne. Pamiętacie, jaki ponury łaził na początku?

He never makes anything to amuse Usagi

Remember the episode at the beginning of S season when Usagi couldn't transform and she went to Mamoru for support? He had an idea to take her to kittens. which brightened her up.

Autocenzura 2:
He's no funny at all

Mamoru is generally mature, serious and reserved person. As we previously mentioned, it's also partially conditioned by his upbringing and Japanese culture. So it's understandable he may not be openly funny, the way Usagi is, for instance. But this by no means is the same as saying that he is no funny at all. There are many scenes, when he is hillarious - like in the dentist scene, when he composes his apologetic speech to Usagi. He also often makes funny faces, especially during Usagi and Chibiusa's argument (like when they went to tea-house). He generally is considerably less reserved and not so serious when he is with Usagi, though before her we also can see glimpses, like when she and Rei catch him on children train in amusement park in first season.

And who could forget such gems like: "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" from S movie or "Hasn't that cat been talking?"

A uważacie, że Seiya jest very funny? :)

Nie, Seyia jest żałosny ;)
Masz rację, ten luźny krawat sprawia, że wygląda tak mega seksownie xDXD
Tak, Neoma ten tekst "Czy ten kot mówił" jest powalający ;) ta jego wrodzona powaga xD
Na początku łaził strasznie ponury, taki złośliwy inteligent wytykający wady wszem i wobec. To dzięki Usagi się tak odmienił. Sam jej potem w ostatnim odcinku powiedział, gdy zapytała dlaczego ją kocha "bo dałaś mi szczęście" ooooo... ;)

Oooo :) to właściwe określenie. A tyle osób narzeka, że to tandetne wyznanie było...

Autocenzura 2a (tylko akapit zmieniłam):
He's no funny at all

Mamoru is generally mature, serious and reserved person. As we previously mentioned, it's also partially conditioned by his upbringing and Japanese culture. So it's understandable he may not be openly funny, the way Usagi is, for instance. But this by no means is the same as saying that he is no funny at all. There are many scenes, when he is hillarious - like in the dentist scene, when he composes his apologetic speech to Usagi. He also often makes funny faces, especially during Usagi and Chibiusa's argument (like when they went to tea-house).
He generally is considerably less reserved and not so serious when he is with Usagi, though before her we also can see glimpses, like when she and Rei catch him on children train in amusement park in first season.

And who could forget such gems like: "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" from S movie or "Hasn't that cat been talking?"

Gladka, trochę też u siebie powinnaś dać akapitów. A ogólnie czemu cię nie ma? :(
Ostatnio na controversial couples napisali o innej parze magisterkę, więc chyba tak można,,,

Ja bym jeszcze w tym, że Mamoru jest worse than Seiya napisała, że to noble man...

A ja sobie przy okazji luknęłam na odcinek z księżniczką Rubiną i przepraszam za wprowadzenie w błąd, ale Mamorek tam nie ma krawata. Ale tradycyjnie wygląda bosko :). I jak mądrze z Rubiną tam rozmawia. A ona go Mamo-chan nazywa, hehe. I znowu a propos nicnierobienia je ratuje.
Ludzie, jaka Seiya...

Is Mamoru worse man than Seiya? Mamoru in almost every episode he appears helps somebody, saves somebody, gives support or advice. He retains his noble qualities even when he is brainwashed with evil energy in the first season and becomes Dark Endymion - he doesn't want to harm innocent people and actively opposes to Kunzite's underhanded tactics.

Hej a gdzie jest to "controversial couples"? Jest tam o Mamoru i Usagi? Możesz zarzucić linkiem?? ;)

A Rubina to mi się jakoś z księżną Dianą kojarzy... podobna fryzura. Jest to odcinek w którym Mamoru dość dużo jeździ swoim czerwono-bordowym autem i wygląda po prostu bosko xD
"Ludzie, jaka Seyia" - dokładnie ;) Ludzie nie wiedzą co czynią xD

http://fuc kyeahcontroversialcouples.tumblr.com/post/33985893418/pairing-mamoru-chiba-x-usa gi-tsukino-fandom
To chyba Gladka napisała? Zanim ją porwało...

Tam chyba wśród scenarzystów ktoś lubił Lady Di, bo w pierwszym sezonie księżniczka od imprezy Diamanda też miała ksywkę Di...
(Księżniczka chyba też lubiła Mamoru, hehehe...)

Porwana przez mroczne siły powracam XD Przepraszam, że mnie tak długo nie było...

Z argumentów do obalenia został nam tylko jeden, ale łatwy:
He gets killed at the beginning of Stars arc.

He gets killed at the beginning of Stars arc

Well, that was definitely not his fault. At least he tried to fight Galaxia before his death, while Inners didn't do anything to harm/heal her before their deaths at the beginning of the final battle. Anyway, they don't get any hate due to this fact, while Mamoru is hated just as he would want to be killed.

Poza tym to prawda, to ja napisałam zgłoszenie tego pairingu na F**k Yeah Controversial Couples (cholera, że też FilmWeb nie pozwala napisać tego bez cenzury).

Hej, Gladka - a już myslałysmy, ze cię Galaxia porwała? ;)))
To co, zbieramy wszystko?

No mówilam, że Mamoru dał się zrobić, żeby uciec od muszenia być z Usagi :)
Może jeszcze by jeszcze dodać, że Mamoru had to be the first to die, as he's Earth guardian, so Galaxia had to take his Star Seed to operate there.
A o jego ostatnim słowie - czy to do controversial couples?

A umiesz obrazki wklejać? Czy coś dodajemy? I czy coś o ubrankach?

No to zbieramy...

Irritating

But does it mean that he is irritating for the audience or for people around here?

Because obviously different viewers find various characters irritating and Mamoru is no exception. However, he isn't generally regarded as irritating by the people who know him - Usagi at the beginning may be an exception, but it's because he for some reason teases her in special way. Mamoru may be not very sociable, but still many people like him.

Boring

It's similar situation as in previous case - different strokes for different people, who find different characters boring or interesting. It's matter of personal taste.

And again, most people aren't bored in Mamoru's company. Can a man with such a variety of books be boring?

His attacks are pretty weak

Effectiveness of the attacks is more important than their strength. Tuxedo Kamen’s attacks, despite being not so impressively looking as for example Uranus and Neptune’s attacks, were often saving Sailor Soldiers’ life and distracting their enemies. These roses are versatile, because they can be used as attack, defence, distraction - they can also break through barriers or create shield.

Besides that, with his rose attack he was able to heavily wound Queen Beryl and Kisenian Flower, and also to cause Tellu’s death - except Sailor Moon and Sailor Saturn nobody else has achieved more in defeating major enemies in the entire show.

Moreover, Sailor Mercury’s attack at the beginning also wasn’t impressive and Seiya also used a rose once in order to save Sailor Moon, but they aren’t bashed for that. In their cases fans are able to see that these attacks were simply useful, so why they can’t do it in Mamoru’s case?

Gives stupid speeches at the beginning

Heh, Sailor Moon and other Sailor Senshi also give often “stupid speeches” before almost every battle, but they aren’t bashed for that (for me they’re sometimes really stupid – like the one about destroying Soldiers’ clothes by Kunzite shortly before Usagi killed him). Mamoru’s speeches are supposed to be romantic and calming, and in my opinion their function is fulfilled, although I have to admit that sometimes they sound funny (for example in S movie) and even Usagi states once that she doesn’t have any idea what’s he talking about. Besides, coming up with new speech on every occasion requires creativity and fantasy - isn't it much better than saying always the same as Starlights or Outers?

Stays in the way of Seiya/Usagi

Well, no. It's Usagi's feelings which get in the way of Seiya/Usagi - subtle difference. Usagi has made it repeatedly clear that she loves Mamoru and Seiya's just a friend, despite Mamoru's absence and total lack of communication from him, while she spent much time with Seiya, who courted her and helped her. She doesn’t treat Seiya as possible lover even shortly after defeating of Galaxia, when she thinks that Mamoru is dead and will never come back to life. Yet no spark appeared and Usagi's heart remained solely with Mamoru. Seiya got it also at last.

If Usagi's feelings changed, Mamoru would surely let her go. Mamoru ‘s love isn't possessive. When he was dying after battle with Beryl, he even said to Usagi that she should find another loving boyfriend.

Is the father of Chibiusa (who is also a hated character)

So if Mamoru wouldn’t exist, there would be no Chibiusa too, right? Well, this child can be annoying, but she also has some sweet moments (for example in the SuperS season she tells Kamoi that Usagi is a role model for her). Besides that, without her Hotaru wouldn’t have any friends and she could not find any strength to defeat Mistress 9, Helios couldn’t escape from Nehelenia’s yoke etc. Without Chibiusa defeating their enemies would be more difficult for Senshi.

Besides, Usagi is also responsible for the birth of Chibiusa, but she doesn’t get any hate for that.

Other arguments against him, which you can meet:

He's an insensitive jerk in the Classic season and at the beginning of R season

It's true that he teases Usagi, but most of the things he says to her aren't really cruel. Sometimes he's obviously right like when he speaks that looks aren't everything or that honesty requires courage.

Besides, it's quite evident that Mamoru's teasing is kind of "kindergarden courtship", as it's only focused on Usagi. Mamoru's treatment of Rei is very different. His best friend Motoki even notices that Mamoru's teasing of Usagi is unusual for him.

Usagi can sometimes be also mean to him, like when she mocks him because of riding an amusement train or when she accuses him of hurting her cat.

Yet she also - after initial annoyance with Mamoru - can be seen enjoying their bickering. Later their mutual teasing becomes almost flirty.

Besides, despite his often reserved exterior he is far from being insensitive - he jumps under the truck to save a cat, he defends Usagi's family from the monster, in spite of being ordinary human then, he devotes two days to take care of the baby, he agrees to be Yumeni's model.

Besides, if he was perfect from the beginning, we wouldn't have character development due to love between him and Usagi. And there the change in him, after they are together, is striking. He finally gets over his lonely childhood.

He's much worse than Seiya

Why? Because he’s not a star? That’s very infantile way of thinking. Or maybe he’s not as handsome as Seiya? It’s the matter of personal taste, but it’s still an infantile way of choosing characters to like/dislike.

Is Mamoru worse man than Seiya? Mamoru in almost every episode he appears helps somebody, saves somebody, gives support or advice. He retains his noble qualities even when he is brainwashed with evil energy in the first season and becomes Dark Endymion - he doesn't want to harm innocent people and actively opposes to Kunzite's underhanded tactics.

This argument is given mostly by Seiya/Usagi fans, who don’t seem to notice that Usagi loves Mamoru. Besides, if you want to compare Mamoru with other Usagi’s possible lovers, why do you choose only Seiya for that, not Diamond, Ail, or even Motoki or Umino ;)? Is it because they don’t look good in your opinion, when you compare them with Mamoru?

He's cold and unloving towards Usagi

Mamoru is reserved and introverted person, which people often confuse with being cold. He also grew up without close relatives, in culture which postulates keeping distance from others and calmness.

Therefore, it's natural he's not openly affectionate man - in Tuxedo Mask's image song "Dakishimete itai" he says that he can't speak pretty words and make pretenses.

This doesn't mean he doesn't show his love not through words (though he calls her tenderly "Usako"), but actions. He protects and supports her, is always ready to give her advice or sacrifice himself. When he is seriously ill in SuperS, his only concern is burdening Usagi and even apologises to her that he can't help her. Mamoru also has no problems about taking second place to his girlfriend, which no many men would. He is extremely patient towards her, when she overreacts. And last, but not least - he is completely faithful to her, despite many people expressing interest in him.

Besides, if one pays attention to the way he looks at Usagi, the love in his eyes is evident. And, as Fisheye noticed, Mamoru smiles in a special way when he's with Usagi.

He is with Usagi only because he has to

If he was with Usagi only because he has to, he doesn't really love her and he's acting all the time, why he calls her name shortly before his death in Stars series? If this "argument" would be true, that should mean that that was a very strange way of acting - why he should be doing this at this moment? He had no "audience" there (besides Galaxia, who completely didn't care at that moment if he loves someone or not) and no purpose to act then.

He shows his affection towards Usagi also earlier, everytime when he was appearing to save her, and even when he didn't know that she's Sailor Moon. Do you remember that episode, when Mamoru still didn't get his memories back and he was babysitting with Usa? You could have felt really big chemistry between them then. When I was a kid and I was watching Sailor Moon only from time to time, I started watching this episode without knowing much about the plot and during it I was certain that they already are in the long-term relationship.

He never does anything

Mamoru has saved Usagi more times that the girls combined - and they are destinied to be her bodyguards. He is often mocked for having weaker powers than the senshi, but doesn't it make his efforts even more impressive and his bravery more admirable? He sometimes may not be able to do more than hold Usagi or cover her with his body, but still does everything that is in his power. For example, remember the birthday episode, when he volunteers to distract Kaorinite, so as to let girls combine their powers in joint attack?

His Usagi-oriented-GPS is also valuable. Without him, she would be defeated very early.

Besides, people often forget that not only fighting is important. Mamoru's greatest power is perhaps supporting others and motivating them. As he does with Helios in SuperS final, giving him strength to save senshi.

He also helps by gathering information and negotiating with Outer senshi.

He's often outside the final battle

The final battles belong to Usagi, as, you know, the main character and the strongest senshi. Only Chibiusa in R and SuperS, and Hotaru in S took active part, other senshi have supporting role.

Futhermore, even though Mamoru is not present at the battle with Nehellenia in SuperS, he still influences the outcome by talking to Helios in Elysion and motivating him to act.

He often gets kidnapped

Not as often as it's believed. In most cases he gets captured because he wants to save Usagi. The exception would be Nehellenia, who captured the person Usagi loves the most to exact revenge on the White Moon Princess.

Other characters are often kidnapped too (i.e. Sailor senshi by Rubeus and Nehellenia, Usagi by Prince Diamond), especially Chibiusa.

He never makes anything to amuse Usagi

Remember the episode at the beginning of S season when Usagi couldn't transform and she went to Mamoru for support? He had an idea to take her to kittens. which brightened her up.

He gets killed at the beginning of Stars arc

Well, that was definitely not his fault. At least he tried to fight Galaxia before his death, while Inners didn't do anything to harm/heal her before their deaths at the beginning of the final battle. Anyway, they don't get any hate due to this fact, while Mamoru is hated just as he would want to be killed.

Besides, Mamoru had to be the first to die, as he's Earth guardian, so Galaxia had to take his Star Seed to operate there.

He left to the USA, knowing that Usagi will miss him

Somehow it's being forgotten that Mamoru would miss her too - rememeber that he kept looking at their photograph, when Galaxia attacked his plane.

Mamoru's situation was even much harder than Usagi's - she stayed with all her friends, while he left the person most dear to him.

Mamoru is also obviously conflicted about this separation and anxious about Usagi's feelings, but he is a man, who would put a duty above a personal pleasure.

The intended message of this plot was that such separation doesn't conquer the true love, earlier presented with Reika and Motoki.

Amd finally, at the end of Stars Mamoru doesn't seem to be going anywhere...

He likes Chibiusa more than Usagi

When in the final of R both Usagi and Chibiusa are unconscious because of using Silver Crystals, it's Usagi Mamoru holds in his arms and tries to awaken.

Besides, Chibiusa is the result of love between Mamoru and Usagi. Caring about her is partly also act of Mamoru's love for Usagi, who has already great responsibility on her.

He broke up with Usagi in R season only because he had a stupid dream

Not "a stupid dream", but a series of dreams when he saw his beloved dying. Remember also that Mamoru has already experienced the dream which was true - the one about the pirncess and Silver Crystal. So he had a valid reason to believe it.

It's true that he was really cold to her during that period, but he sincerely believed that it would be easier for her to hate him.

Besides, this breakup really proves that the argument of his having to be with her is invalid. Then, instead of feeling relieved he clearly misses her and is miserable the whole time. He still calls her: "Usako", can't take their photograph off his nightstand and sees her face in the stream. He even cries.

He's not funny at all

Mamoru is generally mature, serious and reserved person. As we previously mentioned, it's also partially conditioned by his upbringing and Japanese culture. So it's understandable he may not be openly funny, the way Usagi is, for instance. But this by no means is the same as saying that he is no funny at all. There are many scenes, when he is hillarious - like in the dentist scene, when he composes his apologetic speech to Usagi. He also often makes funny faces, especially during Usagi and Chibiusa's argument (like when they went to tea-house).

He generally is considerably less reserved and not so serious when he is with Usagi, though before her we also can see glimpses, like when she and Rei catch him on children train in amusement park in first season.

And who could forget such gems like: "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" from S movie or "Hasn't that cat been talking?"

O jego ostatnim słowie est mowa w punkcie "He is with Usagi only because he has to".

Może o ubrankach też by się coś przydało, bo na tym blogu już ktoś się naśmiewał z Mamorkowego "fashion sense".
Obrazków nie trzeba wklejać, zawsze przy obronach i innych zgłoszeniach zajmuje się tym osoba prowadząca blog.

Ale chyba właśnie w przypadku argumentacji o ubrankach, obrazki by były na miejscu? Jakieś te ładniejsze wybrać, o których mówilyśmy?
Bo jaka argumentacja tu pasuje? His clothes are not so bad - besides he's a nerd, so he probably doesn't pay much attention to fashion.

No, w takim razie wypadałoby dać linki do obrazków z ubraniami, które wcześniej były omawiane.

Hejka :) Normalnie Gładka bałyśmy się, że Galaxia zabrała twoje gwiezdne ziarno ;)
Tak, sądzą, że mały pokaz mody z ubraniami Mamoru łącznie z obrazkami bardzo by się przydał. Mogę zrobić obrazki ze wszystkimi ubrankami a wy coś po angielsku dopiszecie :) chcecie tak?

Kiara, to byś wybrała jakieś ładniejsze ubranka i korzystne foty :) Może oprócz szlafroka ;)

Dobrze zrobię to na jutro, ale osobiście uważam, że szlafrok też musi być xD
Tak sobię teraz myślę, że nieźle chcieli wykiwać tą Usagi w filmie SuperS z tym fałszywym Mamoru. Prawdziwy Mamoru nigdy by nie odpowiedział jednoznacznie, czy woli Chibiusę czy ją :D Na szczęście Usagi się kapnęła, że to jest podróba ;) Nasz kochany Mamorek nigdy by się też na Usagi tak "nie wieszał", chociaż trzeba przyznać, że ta roznegliżowana klata jest wspaniała achhh :D

Kiara, skoro nalegasz na szlafrok, to nas przekonałaś argumentacją :)) A co ze zbroją Endymiona? ;)

Usagi też wiedziała, że prawdziwy Mamoru by nie odpowiedział :) I tez się zgadzała, że jest wspaniały, ale oryginał na pewno ma tę samą klatę (czy oną jąwidziała?)

Hejka już trochę zrobiłam :) http://s649.beta.photobucket.com/user/zebra124/library/Mamoru%20style nawet nie wiecie ile mi to frajdy stworzyło xD Jeszcze parę dokleję, bo brakuje m.in. szlafroku i stroju motocyklowego :)

Ach, cudne :) Czy to jakoś mamy opracować, czy po prostu obraz ma wystarczać za słowa? ;)
Ja bym była jeszcze za dodaniem tego stroju z ciemną kurtką, gdy pozowali Yumeni (jak się dziwić, ze go wybrała do pozowania? :) i stroju z odcinka z księżniczką...
(w ogóle zawsze mi się wydawało, że Mamoru podwoził Usagi z siatami? czy to moja wyobraźnia stworzyła nowe sceny? ;))

Może wypadałoby to jakoś opracować, bo sam obraz jest bronią obosieczną ;)

Oczywiście, opracujemy i wybierzemy najlepsze. Jeszcze wieczorem dokleję kilka ;)
Masz rację Neoma, Mamoru podwiózł Usagi z siatami w odcinku 135 ;) I Usagi mówi do niego wtedy "naprawdę jesteś moim księciem" achhhh. Tylko nie wiem czy jeszcze w którymś ją na tej zasadzie też podwiózł. A Mamoru taki dżolo - bryka i ciemne okulary xDXD Jeszcze zatrzymał się tak, że aż hamulce zapiszczały ;)

Hej to już chyba wszystko, przeleciałam wszystkie odcinki jakie mam i takie stroje odnalazłam, uzupełniony zbiór http://s649.beta.photobucket.com/user/zebra124/library/Mamoru%20style. Jeżeli pamiętacie jeszcze jakieś ubranko albo odcinek w którym Mamoru wyglądał przystojnie to napiszcie ;) Musimy teraz wybrać te, w których prezentuje się najdoskonalej. Jeżeli w którymś wygląda niezbyt przystojnie to też dajcie znać - wymienię :D
P.S. Kurtka z odcinka o Yumeni też już jest ;) Bokserki po prostu musiałam dodać xD Szlafrok też się musiał znaleźć ;)

http://s649.beta.photobucket.com/user/zebra124/library/Mamoru%20style

Ja bym jeszcze dodała:
sto kilkunasty :) jak się spotyka w parku z Outerkami - wtedy jest jedna z jego przemian w Tuxeda.
120- biała koszula i krawat...

Gladka, a masz jakiś pomysł, jak to opracować - czy to wklejamy, czy linkujemy? Jak wklejamy, to chyba lepiej nie powtarzać strojów?

A jeszcze może dwa stroje ze zdjęć ze Starsów - co Seiya odłożył i nad którym Usagi płakała?

Drobne poprawki:
Irritating

But does it mean that he is irritating for the audience or for people around him?


(bez jednej spacji)
Stays in the way of Seiya/Usagi

Well, no. It's Usagi's feelings which get in the way of Seiya/Usagi - subtle difference. Usagi has made it repeatedly clear that she loves Mamoru and Seiya's just a friend, despite Mamoru's absence and total lack of communication from him, while she spent much time with Seiya, who courted her and helped her. She doesn’t treat Seiya as possible lover even shortly after defeating of Galaxia, when she thinks that Mamoru is dead and will never come back to life. Yet no spark appeared and Usagi's heart remained solely with Mamoru. Seiya got it also at last.

If Usagi's feelings changed, Mamoru would surely let her go. Mamoru‘s love isn't possessive. When he was dying after battle with Beryl, he even said to Usagi that she should find another loving boyfriend.

wyrzucamy jedno "to"
He's much worse than Seiya

Why? Because he’s not a star? That’s very infantile way of thinking. Or maybe he’s not as handsome as Seiya? It’s the matter of personal taste, but it’s still an infantile way of choosing characters to like/dislike.

Is Mamoru worse man than Seiya? Mamoru in almost every episode he appears helps somebody, saves somebody, gives support or advice. He retains his noble qualities even when he is brainwashed with evil energy in the first season and becomes Dark Endymion - he doesn't want to harm innocent people and actively opposes Kunzite's underhanded tactics.

inwersja, uniknięcie powtórzeń i tryb warunkowy:
He is with Usagi only because he has to

If he was with Usagi only because he has to, he doesn't really love her and he's acting all the time, why he calls her name shortly before his death in Stars series? If this "argument" was true, that would mean that it was a very strange way of acting - why should he be doing this at this very moment? He had no "audience" there (besides Galaxia, who completely didn't care at that moment if he loves someone or not) and no purpose to act then.

Gladka, ja przepraszam, że jeszcze cię poprawiłam, ale by było ok...

I myślę, żeby się sprężyć i skończyć jeszcze w tym tygodniu, co? Bo stale sprawdzam, czy ktoś nas nie wyprzedził... :)

Może lepiej będzie podlinkować z komentarzem do osoby prowadzącej blog, że jeśli zechce, może powklejać?

Na dzień dzisiejszy obrona prezentuje się zatem następująco:

Irritating

But does it mean that he is irritating for the audience or for people around him?

Because obviously different viewers find various characters irritating and Mamoru is no exception. However, he isn't generally regarded as irritating by the people who know him - Usagi at the beginning may be an exception, but it's because he for some reason teases her in special way. Mamoru may be not very sociable, but still many people like him.

Boring

It's similar situation as in previous case - different strokes for different people, who find different characters boring or interesting. It's matter of personal taste.

And again, most people aren't bored in Mamoru's company. Can a man with such a variety of books be boring?

His attacks are pretty weak

Effectiveness of the attacks is more important than their strength. Tuxedo Kamen’s attacks, despite being not so impressively looking as for example Uranus and Neptune’s attacks, were often saving Sailor Soldiers’ life and distracting their enemies. These roses are versatile, because they can be used as attack, defence, distraction - they can also break through barriers or create shield.

Besides that, with his rose attack he was able to heavily wound Queen Beryl and Kisenian Flower, and also to cause Tellu’s death - except Sailor Moon and Sailor Saturn nobody else has achieved more in defeating major enemies in the entire show.

Moreover, Sailor Mercury’s attack at the beginning also wasn’t impressive and Seiya also used a rose once in order to save Sailor Moon, but they aren’t bashed for that. In their cases fans are able to see that these attacks were simply useful, so why they can’t do it in Mamoru’s case?

Gives stupid speeches at the beginning

Heh, Sailor Moon and other Sailor Senshi also give often “stupid speeches” before almost every battle, but they aren’t bashed for that (for me they’re sometimes really stupid – like the one about destroying Soldiers’ clothes by Kunzite shortly before Usagi killed him). Mamoru’s speeches are supposed to be romantic and calming, and in my opinion their function is fulfilled, although I have to admit that sometimes they sound funny (for example in S movie) and even Usagi states once that she doesn’t have any idea what’s he talking about. Besides, coming up with new speech on every occasion requires creativity and fantasy - isn't it much better than saying always the same as Starlights or Outers?

Stays in the way of Seiya/Usagi

Well, no. It's Usagi's feelings which get in the way of Seiya/Usagi - subtle difference. Usagi has made it repeatedly clear that she loves Mamoru and Seiya's just a friend, despite Mamoru's absence and total lack of communication from him, while she spent much time with Seiya, who courted her and helped her. She doesn’t treat Seiya as possible lover even shortly after defeating of Galaxia, when she thinks that Mamoru is dead and will never come back to life. Yet no spark appeared and Usagi's heart remained solely with Mamoru. Seiya got it also at last.

If Usagi's feelings changed, Mamoru would surely let her go. Mamoru‘s love isn't possessive. When he was dying after battle with Beryl, he even said to Usagi that she should find another loving boyfriend.

Is the father of Chibiusa (who is also a hated character)

So if Mamoru wouldn’t exist, there would be no Chibiusa too, right? Well, this child can be annoying, but she also has some sweet moments (for example in the SuperS season she tells Kamoi that Usagi is a role model for her). Besides that, without her Hotaru wouldn’t have any friends and she could not find any strength to defeat Mistress 9, Helios couldn’t escape from Nehelenia’s yoke etc. Without Chibiusa defeating their enemies would be more difficult for Senshi.

Besides, Usagi is also responsible for the birth of Chibiusa, but she doesn’t get any hate for that.

Other arguments against him, which you can meet:

He's an insensitive jerk in the Classic season and at the beginning of R season

It's true that he teases Usagi, but most of the things he says to her aren't really cruel. Sometimes he's obviously right like when he speaks that looks aren't everything or that honesty requires courage.

Besides, it's quite evident that Mamoru's teasing is kind of "kindergarden courtship", as it's only focused on Usagi. Mamoru's treatment of Rei is very different. His best friend Motoki even notices that Mamoru's teasing of Usagi is unusual for him.

Usagi can sometimes be also mean to him, like when she mocks him because of riding an amusement train or when she accuses him of hurting her cat.

Yet she also - after initial annoyance with Mamoru - can be seen enjoying their bickering. Later their mutual teasing becomes almost flirty.

Besides, despite his often reserved exterior he is far from being insensitive - he jumps under the truck to save a cat, he defends Usagi's family from the monster, in spite of being ordinary human then, he devotes two days to take care of the baby, he agrees to be Yumeni's model.

Besides, if he was perfect from the beginning, we wouldn't have character development due to love between him and Usagi. And there the change in him, after they are together, is striking. He finally gets over his lonely childhood.

He's much worse than Seiya

Why? Because he’s not a star? That’s very infantile way of thinking. Or maybe he’s not as handsome as Seiya? It’s the matter of personal taste, but it’s still an infantile way of choosing characters to like/dislike.

Is Mamoru worse man than Seiya? Mamoru in almost every episode he appears helps somebody, saves somebody, gives support or advice. He retains his noble qualities even when he is brainwashed with evil energy in the first season and becomes Dark Endymion - he doesn't want to harm innocent people and actively opposes Kunzite's underhanded tactics.

This argument is given mostly by Seiya/Usagi fans, who don’t seem to notice that Usagi loves Mamoru. Besides, if you want to compare Mamoru with other Usagi’s possible lovers, why do you choose only Seiya for that, not Diamond, Ail, or even Motoki or Umino ;)? Is it because they don’t look good in your opinion, when you compare them with Mamoru?

He's cold and unloving towards Usagi

Mamoru is reserved and introverted person, which people often confuse with being cold. He also grew up without close relatives, in culture which postulates keeping distance from others and calmness.

Therefore, it's natural he's not openly affectionate man - in Tuxedo Mask's image song "Dakishimete itai" he says that he can't speak pretty words and make pretenses.

This doesn't mean he doesn't show his love not through words (though he calls her tenderly "Usako"), but actions. He protects and supports her, is always ready to give her advice or sacrifice himself. When he is seriously ill in SuperS, his only concern is burdening Usagi and even apologises to her that he can't help her. Mamoru also has no problems about taking second place to his girlfriend, which no many men would. He is extremely patient towards her, when she overreacts. And last, but not least - he is completely faithful to her, despite many people expressing interest in him.

Besides, if one pays attention to the way he looks at Usagi, the love in his eyes is evident. And, as Fisheye noticed, Mamoru smiles in a special way when he's with Usagi.

He is with Usagi only because he has to

If he was with Usagi only because he has to, he doesn't really love her and he's acting all the time, why he calls her name shortly before his death in Stars series? If this "argument" was true, that would mean that it was a very strange way of acting - why should he be doing this at this very moment? He had no "audience" there (besides Galaxia, who completely didn't care at that moment if he loves someone or not) and no purpose to act then.

He shows his affection towards Usagi also earlier, everytime when he was appearing to save her, and even when he didn't know that she's Sailor Moon. Do you remember that episode, when Mamoru still didn't get his memories back and he was babysitting with Usa? You could have felt really big chemistry between them then. When I was a kid and I was watching Sailor Moon only from time to time, I started watching this episode without knowing much about the plot and during it I was certain that they already are in the long-term relationship.

He never does anything

Mamoru has saved Usagi more times that the girls combined - and they are destinied to be her bodyguards. He is often mocked for having weaker powers than the senshi, but doesn't it make his efforts even more impressive and his bravery more admirable? He sometimes may not be able to do more than hold Usagi or cover her with his body, but still does everything that is in his power. For example, remember the birthday episode, when he volunteers to distract Kaorinite, so as to let girls combine their powers in joint attack?

His Usagi-oriented-GPS is also valuable. Without him, she would be defeated very early.

Besides, people often forget that not only fighting is important. Mamoru's greatest power is perhaps supporting others and motivating them. As he does with Helios in SuperS final, giving him strength to save senshi.

He also helps by gathering information and negotiating with Outer senshi.

He's often outside the final battle

The final battles belong to Usagi, as, you know, the main character and the strongest senshi. Only Chibiusa in R and SuperS, and Hotaru in S took active part, other senshi have supporting role.

Futhermore, even though Mamoru is not present at the battle with Nehellenia in SuperS, he still influences the outcome by talking to Helios in Elysion and motivating him to act.

He often gets kidnapped

Not as often as it's believed. In most cases he gets captured because he wants to save Usagi. The exception would be Nehellenia, who captured the person Usagi loves the most to exact revenge on the White Moon Princess.

Other characters are often kidnapped too (i.e. Sailor senshi by Rubeus and Nehellenia, Usagi by Prince Diamond), especially Chibiusa.

He never makes anything to amuse Usagi

Remember the episode at the beginning of S season when Usagi couldn't transform and she went to Mamoru for support? He had an idea to take her to kittens. which brightened her up.

He gets killed at the beginning of Stars arc

Well, that was definitely not his fault. At least he tried to fight Galaxia before his death, while Inners didn't do anything to harm/heal her before their deaths at the beginning of the final battle. Anyway, they don't get any hate due to this fact, while Mamoru is hated just as he would want to be killed.

Besides, Mamoru had to be the first to die, as he's Earth guardian, so Galaxia had to take his Star Seed to operate there.

He left to the USA, knowing that Usagi will miss him

Somehow it's being forgotten that Mamoru would miss her too - rememeber that he kept looking at their photograph, when Galaxia attacked his plane.

Mamoru's situation was even much harder than Usagi's - she stayed with all her friends, while he left the person most dear to him.

Mamoru is also obviously conflicted about this separation and anxious about Usagi's feelings, but he is a man, who would put a duty above a personal pleasure.

The intended message of this plot was that such separation doesn't conquer the true love, earlier presented with Reika and Motoki.

Amd finally, at the end of Stars Mamoru doesn't seem to be going anywhere...

He likes Chibiusa more than Usagi

When in the final of R both Usagi and Chibiusa are unconscious because of using Silver Crystals, it's Usagi Mamoru holds in his arms and tries to awaken.

Besides, Chibiusa is the result of love between Mamoru and Usagi. Caring about her is partly also act of Mamoru's love for Usagi, who has already great responsibility on her.

He broke up with Usagi in R season only because he had a stupid dream

Not "a stupid dream", but a series of dreams when he saw his beloved dying. Remember also that Mamoru has already experienced the dream which was true - the one about the pirncess and Silver Crystal. So he had a valid reason to believe it.

It's true that he was really cold to her during that period, but he sincerely believed that it would be easier for her to hate him.

Besides, this breakup really proves that the argument of his having to be with her is invalid. Then, instead of feeling relieved he clearly misses her and is miserable the whole time. He still calls her: "Usako", can't take their photograph off his nightstand and sees her face in the stream. He even cries.

He's not funny at all

Mamoru is generally mature, serious and reserved person. As we previously mentioned, it's also partially conditioned by his upbringing and Japanese culture. So it's understandable he may not be openly funny, the way Usagi is, for instance. But this by no means is the same as saying that he is no funny at all. There are many scenes, when he is hillarious - like in the dentist scene, when he composes his apologetic speech to Usagi. He also often makes funny faces, especially during Usagi and Chibiusa's argument (like when they went to tea-house).

He generally is considerably less reserved and not so serious when he is with Usagi, though before her we also can see glimpses, like when she and Rei catch him on children train in amusement park in first season.

And who could forget such gems like: "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" from S movie or "Hasn't that cat been talking?"

He has no fashion sense

His clothes are not so bad - besides he's a nerd, so he probably doesn't pay much attention to fashion.
(tu oczywiście będzie rozwinięcie, bazujące na screenach z anime)

A masz pomysł na to rozwinięcie?

He never makes anything to amuse Usagi

Remember the episode at the beginning of S season when Usagi couldn't transform and she went to Mamoru for support? He had an idea to take her to kittens. which brightened her up.
In the end of S movie he takes Artemis to Luna at the airport, because he knows how Usagi is concerned about her. And they all go on cute double-date.
He also takes Usagi with friends everywhere - to race, to aquarium, to university party.

Już rysunek Mamoru z białą koszulą i luźnym krawatem dodałam ;) Ale tego odcinka z tą transformacją nie mam :( ale postaram się ściąnąć.
Wydaje mi się, że te obrazki lepiej wkleić do pracy, oczywiście nie wszystkie, wybierzmy po każdym ubranku najlepsze ;) A te zdjęcia co Seyia odłożył to były na nim jakieś nowe ubrania czy te co już były? Bo tam chyba była ta łososiowa koszula

Różowo-łososiowa koszula była na zdjęciu, które widział Rybek. To, które położył Seiya, miało chyba czarny podkoszulek i białą koszulę. A to, na które Usagi patrzyła, jak była z Rei - pomarańczową. Tak luźno jest ubrany na tych zdjęciach.

He never makes anything to amuse Usagi

Remember the episode at the beginning of S season when Usagi couldn't transform and she went to Mamoru for support? He had an idea to take her to kittens. which brightened her up.
In the end of S movie he takes Artemis to Luna at the airport, because he knows how Usagi is concerned about her. And they all go on cute double-date.
He also takes Usagi with friends everywhere - to race, to aquarium, to university party.
Futhermore, his appreciation for Usagi's friendships and including them is another argument for his being the exceptional man.

Pomysłu na rozwinięcie podpunktu o modzie niestety nie mam, bo kompletnie leżę w tej dziedzinie.

He never does anything

Mamoru has saved Usagi more times that the girls combined - and they are destinied to be her bodyguards. He is often mocked for having weaker powers than the senshi, but doesn't it make his efforts even more impressive and his bravery more admirable? He sometimes may not be able to do more than hold Usagi or cover her with his body, but still does everything that is in his power. For example, remember the birthday episode, when he volunteers to distract Kaorinite, so as to let girls combine their powers in joint attack? Mamoru also has shown a great ability for quick thinking and flexibility in battle.

His Usagi-oriented-GPS is also valuable. Without him, she would be defeated very early.

Besides, people often forget that not only fighting is important. Mamoru's greatest power is perhaps supporting others and motivating them. As he does with Helios in SuperS final, giving him strength to save senshi.

He also helps by gathering information and negotiating with Outer senshi.

Fotka, którą zaklapnął Seyia już jest. Przy okazji odświeżyłam sobie odcinek ;) Chibi chibi się zachowała wprost genialnie! Gdy Seyia się nachylał i chciał pocałować Usę a nachylał się niby pod pretekstem powiedzenia czegoś ważnego, Chibi wzięła go machnęła ciastem :D Najfajniejsze jest to, że Luna i dziewczyny się tak obawiały, żeby Usa nie zakochała się w Seyii. Ale ten tekst Ami, gdy kroiła marchewkę "jesteś nieczysta" to już był przesadzony ;) Chyba to był jeden z jajcarskich odcinków też. Rozwaliło mnie jak Usagi zrzuca wszystko ze stołu swoimi skrzydłami i musi iść pod ścianą ;)
No to o modzie, może wystarczy tylko powlepiać te obrazki ?